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    • Broadening the pirate politics is a common request. In Poland it is probably the most contested item, one that has contributed a lot to the split into two fractions. In Germany it has already happened – but it is not very clear what remained the main line there. It would be interesting to do such a debate across the whole pirate movement.


        • Don Kongo

          The one big guideline in Sweden, and also the one that people often made a call for if it wasn’t clear, is that any suggestion, in any area should fit into the (Swedish) pirate philosophy with respect to integrity, privacy, equal rights and so on. In many cases this made the discussion somewhat focused and for the most part it was quite easy to see if it was something that fit into the pirate party program or not. With exceptions, such as legalization of marijuana which is way too controversial (in Sweden) even if it would be clear cut that it fit in (not sure).

          Anyway, I think that is the important lesson if others want to try the same – hold the principles high and see how they apply to the suggestions no matter if it’s about drugs, banks, police, immigration or what have you. That’s the way to keep it still being a pirate party while being much more relevant.


    • Anton Nordenfur

      That’s absolutely right, we need to keep the basic principles intact if we are to broaden the platform. Most criticism I have seen is that we adopt all policies that get us votes, but to anyone who looks at the actual process it’s apparent that we hold very strongly to the core ideas.

    • I’ll try to summarise where the broadening of the German programme comes from/how it fits into the ideology (should probably make a real article out of this, but for now this wil have to suffice):
      In 2009 the party grew a lot due to our government trying to get a law concerning the blocking of internet websites (child porn et al, same arguments as Mrs Malmström uses in the European Commission). This resulted in people joining the party that wanted it to adhere to grassroot democratics principles, which turned out to be more and more a hallmark of PPDE, pushing the other ides pon how to develop and organize politics (politicians should always listen to expert, these hearings should be done publicly, making lobbying harder) somewhat to the side (even though it is still there, if you look at Liquid Democracy for example). In the end grassroot decisions, as well as accountability of elected officials and politicians became the main indicator of whether something fit the party line or not.

      Another German problem is that a party that gets less than 5% of votes won’t have a big impact (because of the threshhold that makes you not make the parlament if you are below that), and a party just built on internet freedom and reform of author’s rights and patents would never be able to get this number of votes (more likely we’d max out at 2% then). Attracting voters who like other issues, such as legalization of soft drugs, an inconditional basic income, or a stance against nuclear power and fracking was an important stepping stone to our succes,as well as the only way how we would have been able to get the pirate positions for internet and reform of ‘IP’ into German politics (other than trying to take over the Green party, which would have been problematic if one considers socialisation and green dogma, which not all pirates agree with).

      This of course means that we moved quite far away from how things were done in most other pirate Parties when it comes to handling issues that do not stem from internet and acces to culture, and it will require some work to find positions and a way to work together and accepting that the party cultures might be quite different.

    • Justus – thanks for the explanations the German Pirate Party is the example number one here – but the information that we get about the situation there is very chaotic. One thing that I have been thinking frequently is that it seems that your German party is very leftist (https://wiki.piratenpartei.de/wiki/images/0/03/Parteiprogramm-englisch.pdf) – following the Greens in a way – but Open Source has a very strong support from libertarians and I think it would be a great loss if we alientated them. FLOSS is a great example for me of something really new in politics because of the support from both the very right and the very left of the political scene.

    • Prosze Zbigniew.

      I can understand that things are chaotic, I’d say it is that way even to most German pirates, not to mention non-Germans and non-Pirates. What I wrote above is just my impression as a German Pirate, not anything official or very objective.

      What exactly do you think is leftist in the programme (I have an idea, but would like to hear it rom you first before replying)? Most member would probably describe themselves as social-liberal, understanding liberalism as being torn between left (freedom of individuals, especially the weak and the poor) and right (freedom of corporations and rich guys to do as they please with the money they got by legal or illegal means). The strengthening of the right wing of liberalism (libertarianism being one example for that) does not make the whole movement right-wing, in that sense.
      While the German Pirates tend to move to the left, we hope to not alienate pragmatic conservatives or liberals/libertarians, by being pragmatic, and by appealing to common sense. Most of the leftist stances we take can be explained through either personal responsibility or through making the playing field as level as possible, at least to my opinion.

      Probably we should take this discussion elsewhere, maybe even making an article out of it if you don’t mind. Feel free to email/tweet me if you feel like doing this.


        • Anton Nordenfur

          Suddenly I’m very interested in getting out an article on the left-right struggle within the national parties. It is indeed an exciting subject I feel should get some more air.


    • Geir Aaslid

      Broadening Pirate Politics is a hot topic in the Norwegian Pirate party too. As one of the 5 founders we watched this discussion in Sweden, and we had discussions with Anna and Rick in Stockholm in February.
      Starting with the basic pirate platform seen here, http://pirates-without-borders.org/pirates-codex/, we can easily broaden our platform.
      Our strategy is to place ourselves in-between the major red, blue and green/liberal parties in order to copy and share what our members see as the best elements of their programs. So far we have identified education and welfare/health as two areas where we HAVE to speak up in order to get votes.

      Another challenge is to stay beyond the bitching of the socialists and the conservatives. Where the first group want a huge public sector and the conservatives want everything to be private, what do we do as pirates?
      The answer is to totally disregard ideologies from the past wanting a blue or a red cat. We want a cat able to catch mice.

      We have a parliamentary threshold of 4% in Norway. If we cannot reach that threshold we will be unable to have much influence over political decisions in Norway. With the upcoming election right around the corner, the challenge is to build the party, construction the pirate vessel as the crew is coming aboard. By September 10 we will know the result of our efforts.

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