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    • Per Ekström

      I do not believe in a direct democracy – because in a true direct democracy, the interests of minorities risk being put aside for the will of the majority. It’s easy to see how a “baby-eating muslim” could lead to harsher persecution of muslims – in a direct democracy, panic would make many voters vote for these laws. Easy fixes sell better than hard ones.

      I also do not trust electronic voting systems. Why? Because, ultimately, there is no obvious way for me as a citizen to verify that the voting process wasn’t rigged, in some way. In a ballot, atleast we can count the votes by hand ourselves.

      That’s not to say that the ballot system cannot be more effective, only that it’s the best one we have now. Just like democracy, which is a really terrible way to run a state – but it’s the least terrible one.


        • paco229

          Yes of course…that’s why Switzerland, that use Direct Democracy since 1848, is just as you describe…Switz avoided that problem by completing DD with Consensual Democracy http://bundlr.com/b/democracia-consensual


    • JorgenL

      The main problem with direct democracy is that a very large percentage of people do not have the time and interest to really put in the time and effort to really get an understanding of all implications of the issues at hand, and consequently, either the turnout will be low, meaning that in practice, this is just another form of representative democracy but the representatives are elected by no-one but themselves, or the vote in actual issues will be done based on emotion and prejudice instead of facts, leading to less fact based decisions.. Also, it would lead to conflicting decisions as different groups would mobilize for different issues, for example both lower taxes and more expenditures.
      Also to note is that it is almost always easier to mobilize against change than for it, as “you know what you have, but not what you get”, and this would in the end be bad for a party like PP that wants change.

      I also agree with Per on the electronic voting. There is no way to be sure that the results aren’t manipulated for the ordinary voter, who will be totally in the hands of experts and sysadms to trust them that no figures have been altered in the process. A ballot system with public counting of the ballots can only be manipulated to a certain extent, and the risk of such manipulations is comprehensible for anyone. An electronic system is saying “just trust the experts” to the ordinary voters.

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