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    • jilm

      Is the logic so hard to understand? If e.g. Russia knew what groups we support to undermine the hideous, oppressive and hostile to Europe regime, it would surely abuse the information for further repressions. Secrecy over this doesn’t protect European governments but the brave activists fighting oppressive regimes. It’s hard to think of a better example when secrecy is justified.


        • Rachael Tackett

          Freedom of information laws and transparency in government are crucial and necessary for the proper functioning of democracy. The public has the right to know what the government is doing and how it is spending public funds. @jilm, should governments promote democracy abroad, while undermining their own democracy at home?


            • Edward

              The public’s right to know is not unlimited. Every country classifies some information on the basis that secrecy maintains some strategic advanatage for the public of that country relative to its international antagonists.

              Obviously your opinion differs, but bluntly, it’s a minority viewpoint; there are a lot of people who think other than you do, and their views carry just as much weight in a democracy as yours. Just reiterating your opinion doesn’t make it more persuasive. I think more rigorous constitutional checks on how governments can classify material might be a good middle ground, but I am OK in principle with government having a limited power to classify information, notwithstanding the fact that this is sometimes abused.

    • While I can agree that this is a very shady area – I also find the government concerns about exposing the activists as legitimate. Freedom of Information is not absolute and it cannot be put above the lives of freedom activists.


    • Innes

      I find this story quite fascinating. There are many examples of western governments (especially the USA in Latin American countries) funding organizations to act as a sort of 5th column where they will essentially disseminate propaganda that is opposed/averse to the governments current ideology/policies with the purpose to destabilize that government.

      I think the point the writer makes is a very sound one, if we have the ideology of democracy, which by nature should incorporate almost total transparency in my opinion, that we want to spread to these other countries why do we do it in secrecy, just so the ideals will be spread better?

      It is really important to ask: if these ideals of democracy are so noble and good why do we have to protect the methods of propagation that these organizations are using in the foreign countries? Surely it doesn’t matter who is spreading them, only that what is being spread is good. In this case we have very little notion of what ideas are being and how they are being spread.

      I think these organizations (or ‘contractors’) will be used as they have been in the past and that they only seek to destabilize governments so our governments can install/promote individuals to positions power and gain more influence over these governments. The point of the secrecy is stop the governments from defending them selves from this ‘5th column’.

      It’s naive to think it is to spread our wonderful glorious democracy, the purpose is very likely to cripple these opposing nations power/influence in the geopolitical sphere by causing social-unrest that has been brought about by the propaganda that is spread. And the defending the secrecy that our governments are employing only encourages them to be more secretive, when will we know when they do wrong, how will we know if our governments have become as bad as the foreign nations they claim they are trying to liberate.


    • Colin Carr

      Open democratic government is a wonderful ideal. But there are times when it would be madness to reveal everything.

      For instance, what do you think would happen to a ‘contractor’ in Bahrain if his/her name were revealed to the Bahraini police. In casze you can’t work it out for yourself, I’ll tell you. He/she would quickly be detained. From there, various things might happen, friends and family might also be detained. Some or all of these unfortunates would probably be tortured. Others would receive long prison sentences on trumped up charges of ‘anti state activities.

      Is that what you really want?.


        • Rachael Tackett

          If governments are financing organizations abroad, the police services in the organizations’ home countries are likely to find out. Which raises a serious question – should governments be financing these activities at all? What happens when governments promise secrecy, but legally cannot make that guarantee due to freedom of information laws?


    • Activist

      Knowing the people involved and the hoops they would have to jump through to create such sensible precautions. Governments etc would actually have preferred not to have such stringent security measures but clearly the DDP and Hivos know what they are doing.

      Would prefer if everything was completely transparent and the lives…yes really, I know the project and I mean it, lives of activists were risked ?


    • Activist

      Meant to say “Would you prefer”


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